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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 20:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@CaptainJ -  A few more more thoughts. I&#039;ve seen mature women do the delaying sex thing when they are fucking another guy. This somehow computes as okay to a certain kind of passive-aggressive &quot;good girl&quot; type, she may very well be plate spinning herself. It would also fit in with her fucking the ex and being an alpha widow.

Another possibility is that she has a serious STD like Herpes or even HIV and doesn&#039;t know how to tell you. I had a girlfriend who had Herpes who was really weird about escalating to sex and finally she broke down crying telling me. Fyi, research what she has if this is so - medication can easily control some of these things and if it isn&#039;t visible, with certain types, it isn&#039;t contagious. So don&#039;t freak out - I didn&#039;t and I turned this crazy girl into an ass-sex fiend, lol, without catching a thing from her. Nothing like breaking in the ass of a WASPy chick, it somehow seems appropriate that blonde, privileged women have their asses despoiled by a swarthy, salivating pervert like me...But I digress. 

You need to angry at this woman. She&#039;s fucking with you, seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CaptainJ &#8211;  A few more more thoughts. I&#8217;ve seen mature women do the delaying sex thing when they are fucking another guy. This somehow computes as okay to a certain kind of passive-aggressive &#8220;good girl&#8221; type, she may very well be plate spinning herself. It would also fit in with her fucking the ex and being an alpha widow.</p>
<p>Another possibility is that she has a serious STD like Herpes or even HIV and doesn&#8217;t know how to tell you. I had a girlfriend who had Herpes who was really weird about escalating to sex and finally she broke down crying telling me. Fyi, research what she has if this is so &#8211; medication can easily control some of these things and if it isn&#8217;t visible, with certain types, it isn&#8217;t contagious. So don&#8217;t freak out &#8211; I didn&#8217;t and I turned this crazy girl into an ass-sex fiend, lol, without catching a thing from her. Nothing like breaking in the ass of a WASPy chick, it somehow seems appropriate that blonde, privileged women have their asses despoiled by a swarthy, salivating pervert like me&#8230;But I digress. </p>
<p>You need to angry at this woman. She&#8217;s fucking with you, seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 19:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Captain J - I think when dating a potential LTR, waiting a few dates or weeks with the sex progressing is okay but it doesn&#039;t sound to me like that&#039;s what she&#039;s doing. I mean, you say &quot;first base&quot; - so you are just kissing? While a girl might wait to give up the vaj, she should certainly be playing with your dick by now. And by date 5-6? You are either fucking her and sex has become a big part of the relationship or something isn&#039;t kosher.

She seems right on the timeline for consolidating on a Beta provider like you - her first hubby sounds like an alpha that she cock-rode into a bad marriage. Also, keep in mind, until you meet the ex and get the story from him, you have no idea who did what in that marriage. Have you ever once met a woman who said, &quot;Yeah, I fucked up my marriage by being a complete cunt.&quot;? No, of course not so don&#039;t trust her accounting of her own history. She could also easily be an Alpha widow and looking to &quot;not make the same mistakes&quot; - fuck her then run for the hills in that case, lol. 

She is in fact, telling you as loudly as she can that her interest in you is not primarily sexual/based on attraction. That&#039;s axiomatic in her behavior towards you. She&#039;s also absolutely willing to use sex as a tool of power in the relationship right from the outset, a very bad sign. You get that, right? But you also may have brought this on with your own Betatude.

A few ideas:

1. Text her back - &quot;I need to see you. Come to my place later/now&#039; don&#039;t say anything else. When she arrives come on very strongly and do what I suggest in point 2. 

2. Or if you don&#039;t want to escalate now, on your next date, the first moment you are alone with her you should get sexual and escalate to the point of her resisting and simply tell her, &quot;I&#039;m not in junior high, either we are going to be together or not. 5-6 dates is as respectful as I get.&quot; You must then fuck her bareback, rough and the way you want it - and don&#039;t even try to make her come. Trust me, you need to reverse the polarity by making this much more about you and what you want than her, and this is a fast way to do it. In fact, blow a load, zip up and go back to what you were doing before she came along. She&#039;ll either play along or go crazy - you had better find out now whether the idea of making you happy and satisfied is interesting to her. Otherwise you&#039;ll be begging for sex forever in this relationship.

3. Ignore her and hope the dread has her suggest she come by and fuck you. 

I had a gf try this on me once when I was 38. The second date, we were making out and she stops me from escalating, but wants to keep making out. I stopped her and said, &quot;I&#039;m not in junior high school. I respect you and of course don&#039;t want you to do anything you don&#039;t want to do. But what I won&#039;t do is get all blueballed. You aren&#039;t &quot;ready&quot;? Fine, but don&#039;t make out with me until you are ready.&quot; 

It still took a while and she was a total freak so it was not to be, but I had to take some of the power back from her and did so. I think I told the story about her here once already, she was the woman who wanted me to rape her? She told me she couldn&#039;t come with a guy by fucking but the first time I got in her, she came in like 10 seconds? Then got angry and started punching me because I made her come? Yeah, that kind of crazy, but I digress.

Last. You are getting Oneitis. You will never be happy in a relationship if you have Oneitis - and she will never respect you if you have Oneitis. She&#039;s acting up - who gives a shit? There are more fish in the sea and one is just as good as another. Fyi, if you portray that attitude, she&#039;ll likely be deepthroating you in the car before dinner on your next date...Especially if you text some other girl who actually wants to fuck you and fuck her before you respond to the &quot;Born Again Virgin&quot;. She&#039;s being a manipulative little bitch and  you can&#039;t even see it. 

We men, we are all fucked. It&#039;s like pussy makes us blind or something. Women are so central to our lives - it starts with our mothers and goes downhill from there. Sigh...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Captain J &#8211; I think when dating a potential LTR, waiting a few dates or weeks with the sex progressing is okay but it doesn&#8217;t sound to me like that&#8217;s what she&#8217;s doing. I mean, you say &#8220;first base&#8221; &#8211; so you are just kissing? While a girl might wait to give up the vaj, she should certainly be playing with your dick by now. And by date 5-6? You are either fucking her and sex has become a big part of the relationship or something isn&#8217;t kosher.</p>
<p>She seems right on the timeline for consolidating on a Beta provider like you &#8211; her first hubby sounds like an alpha that she cock-rode into a bad marriage. Also, keep in mind, until you meet the ex and get the story from him, you have no idea who did what in that marriage. Have you ever once met a woman who said, &#8220;Yeah, I fucked up my marriage by being a complete cunt.&#8221;? No, of course not so don&#8217;t trust her accounting of her own history. She could also easily be an Alpha widow and looking to &#8220;not make the same mistakes&#8221; &#8211; fuck her then run for the hills in that case, lol. </p>
<p>She is in fact, telling you as loudly as she can that her interest in you is not primarily sexual/based on attraction. That&#8217;s axiomatic in her behavior towards you. She&#8217;s also absolutely willing to use sex as a tool of power in the relationship right from the outset, a very bad sign. You get that, right? But you also may have brought this on with your own Betatude.</p>
<p>A few ideas:</p>
<p>1. Text her back &#8211; &#8220;I need to see you. Come to my place later/now&#8217; don&#8217;t say anything else. When she arrives come on very strongly and do what I suggest in point 2. </p>
<p>2. Or if you don&#8217;t want to escalate now, on your next date, the first moment you are alone with her you should get sexual and escalate to the point of her resisting and simply tell her, &#8220;I&#8217;m not in junior high, either we are going to be together or not. 5-6 dates is as respectful as I get.&#8221; You must then fuck her bareback, rough and the way you want it &#8211; and don&#8217;t even try to make her come. Trust me, you need to reverse the polarity by making this much more about you and what you want than her, and this is a fast way to do it. In fact, blow a load, zip up and go back to what you were doing before she came along. She&#8217;ll either play along or go crazy &#8211; you had better find out now whether the idea of making you happy and satisfied is interesting to her. Otherwise you&#8217;ll be begging for sex forever in this relationship.</p>
<p>3. Ignore her and hope the dread has her suggest she come by and fuck you. </p>
<p>I had a gf try this on me once when I was 38. The second date, we were making out and she stops me from escalating, but wants to keep making out. I stopped her and said, &#8220;I&#8217;m not in junior high school. I respect you and of course don&#8217;t want you to do anything you don&#8217;t want to do. But what I won&#8217;t do is get all blueballed. You aren&#8217;t &#8220;ready&#8221;? Fine, but don&#8217;t make out with me until you are ready.&#8221; </p>
<p>It still took a while and she was a total freak so it was not to be, but I had to take some of the power back from her and did so. I think I told the story about her here once already, she was the woman who wanted me to rape her? She told me she couldn&#8217;t come with a guy by fucking but the first time I got in her, she came in like 10 seconds? Then got angry and started punching me because I made her come? Yeah, that kind of crazy, but I digress.</p>
<p>Last. You are getting Oneitis. You will never be happy in a relationship if you have Oneitis &#8211; and she will never respect you if you have Oneitis. She&#8217;s acting up &#8211; who gives a shit? There are more fish in the sea and one is just as good as another. Fyi, if you portray that attitude, she&#8217;ll likely be deepthroating you in the car before dinner on your next date&#8230;Especially if you text some other girl who actually wants to fuck you and fuck her before you respond to the &#8220;Born Again Virgin&#8221;. She&#8217;s being a manipulative little bitch and  you can&#8217;t even see it. </p>
<p>We men, we are all fucked. It&#8217;s like pussy makes us blind or something. Women are so central to our lives &#8211; it starts with our mothers and goes downhill from there. Sigh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rollo Tomassi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rollo Tomassi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 18:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK Captain, read these links next:
http://therationalmale.com/2011/11/04/taking-things-slow/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/07/three-strikes/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/12/19/the-epiphany-phase/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/19/next/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Captain, read these links next:<br />
<a href="http://therationalmale.com/2011/11/04/taking-things-slow/" rel="nofollow">http://therationalmale.com/2011/11/04/taking-things-slow/</a><br />
<a href="http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/07/three-strikes/" rel="nofollow">http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/07/three-strikes/</a><br />
<a href="http://therationalmale.com/2012/12/19/the-epiphany-phase/" rel="nofollow">http://therationalmale.com/2012/12/19/the-epiphany-phase/</a><br />
<a href="http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/19/next/" rel="nofollow">http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/19/next/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Captain J</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-95834</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captain J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 18:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t want you....Far from it....It&#039;s that I really do like you and I don&#039;t want to move too fast.&quot;

These EXACT words were told to me just the other day by a girl I have been talking to.  She&#039;s in her early 30&#039;s and she&#039;s a divorcee with no kids.  I really do enjoy her company and she&#039;s very pretty.  She was raised by her grandparents because her father left her mother early on, and her mother wasn&#039;t really there for her, so I think her grandparents instilled more traditional beliefs.  She has some great characteristics; sweet, friendly, funny, kind, etc.  Not a NAWALT, but definitely a positive person. 

I&#039;m a 33 year old, unmarried white male, no kids, who&#039;s doing fairly well with his life (independent, own job).  I don&#039;t consider myself Alpha although I am working to progress more in that direction, but I don&#039;t consider myself a hardcore Beta either.  I&#039;ve had relative success with women (although I&#039;m not a player by any means). 

In any case, I have gone on 5 dates with the aforementioned lady (I know this is not best practice, but I&#039;m just giving context).  We went to a dinner date on date one, a cheap movie on date two, then she bought two tickets to the theatre and invited me for date three, she swung by my crib once when she was close to my house for date four, and we went to lunch with some friends the other day.  After date two, we kissed and made out and every meeting we have definitely made out pretty passionately and gotten kind of hot and bothered at every encounter.  Still, we haven&#039;t gone past first base.    

I literally feel like to some extent I have regressed or gone back in time, back to junior high where I would make out with girls and not take it any further and then &quot;finish the job&quot; alone in my room reading hentai.  Since our last encounter where she told me that she really didn&#039;t want to move too fast, she has texted me twice, &quot;Good morning.  Just checking on you, are you ok?&quot;.  I haven&#039;t responded; I think I need some time to think about things and put things into perspective.  I don&#039;t want to &quot;throw the baby out with the bathwater&quot;, as you mentioned above, but on the other hand I would like her to be less logical and restrained about the attraction.  Again though, she IS a divorcee with trust issues (her ex-husband had a baby with a mistress during their marriage) and I do think she really IS getting turned out in the make-out sessions 

Am I delusional to think that she might really be worried about losing me after sex?  And can I really blame her?  I  know myself well enough to know that often after having sex with girls, my interest in them plummets, to the point that they often become meaningless.  And I also don&#039;t like sluts who put out too soon either.  And now I&#039;m complaining about a girl who waits before putting out (isn&#039;t that what I want at the end of the day, and isn&#039;t that preferable to a skank who bangs on the first night?)  I don&#039;t know.  I&#039;m confused.  

Asking for a little help here, Rollo.  Your blog is basically my bible, and your book is on my nightstand.       

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t want you&#8230;.Far from it&#8230;.It&#8217;s that I really do like you and I don&#8217;t want to move too fast.&#8221;</p>
<p>These EXACT words were told to me just the other day by a girl I have been talking to.  She&#8217;s in her early 30&#8217;s and she&#8217;s a divorcee with no kids.  I really do enjoy her company and she&#8217;s very pretty.  She was raised by her grandparents because her father left her mother early on, and her mother wasn&#8217;t really there for her, so I think her grandparents instilled more traditional beliefs.  She has some great characteristics; sweet, friendly, funny, kind, etc.  Not a NAWALT, but definitely a positive person. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a 33 year old, unmarried white male, no kids, who&#8217;s doing fairly well with his life (independent, own job).  I don&#8217;t consider myself Alpha although I am working to progress more in that direction, but I don&#8217;t consider myself a hardcore Beta either.  I&#8217;ve had relative success with women (although I&#8217;m not a player by any means). </p>
<p>In any case, I have gone on 5 dates with the aforementioned lady (I know this is not best practice, but I&#8217;m just giving context).  We went to a dinner date on date one, a cheap movie on date two, then she bought two tickets to the theatre and invited me for date three, she swung by my crib once when she was close to my house for date four, and we went to lunch with some friends the other day.  After date two, we kissed and made out and every meeting we have definitely made out pretty passionately and gotten kind of hot and bothered at every encounter.  Still, we haven&#8217;t gone past first base.    </p>
<p>I literally feel like to some extent I have regressed or gone back in time, back to junior high where I would make out with girls and not take it any further and then &#8220;finish the job&#8221; alone in my room reading hentai.  Since our last encounter where she told me that she really didn&#8217;t want to move too fast, she has texted me twice, &#8220;Good morning.  Just checking on you, are you ok?&#8221;.  I haven&#8217;t responded; I think I need some time to think about things and put things into perspective.  I don&#8217;t want to &#8220;throw the baby out with the bathwater&#8221;, as you mentioned above, but on the other hand I would like her to be less logical and restrained about the attraction.  Again though, she IS a divorcee with trust issues (her ex-husband had a baby with a mistress during their marriage) and I do think she really IS getting turned out in the make-out sessions </p>
<p>Am I delusional to think that she might really be worried about losing me after sex?  And can I really blame her?  I  know myself well enough to know that often after having sex with girls, my interest in them plummets, to the point that they often become meaningless.  And I also don&#8217;t like sluts who put out too soon either.  And now I&#8217;m complaining about a girl who waits before putting out (isn&#8217;t that what I want at the end of the day, and isn&#8217;t that preferable to a skank who bangs on the first night?)  I don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;m confused.  </p>
<p>Asking for a little help here, Rollo.  Your blog is basically my bible, and your book is on my nightstand.       </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: UCKG Church Affiliate Tells Women &#8220;Blue-Ball English Men Until They Marry You&#8221; &#124; Lancing The Boil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UCKG Church Affiliate Tells Women &#8220;Blue-Ball English Men Until They Marry You&#8221; &#124; Lancing The Boil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2015 17:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Betafied men who are foolish enough to have been bamboozled by UCKG&#8217;s glossy corporate identity and been lassoed into a blue-ball waiting game by one of its women followers would be well advised to remind himself to Iron Rule of Tomassi #3: [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Betafied men who are foolish enough to have been bamboozled by UCKG&#8217;s glossy corporate identity and been lassoed into a blue-ball waiting game by one of its women followers would be well advised to remind himself to Iron Rule of Tomassi #3: [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: UCKG Church Affiliate Tells Women “Blue-Ball English Men Until They Marry You” &#124; Living in Anglo-America</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-92878</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UCKG Church Affiliate Tells Women “Blue-Ball English Men Until They Marry You” &#124; Living in Anglo-America]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2015 12:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/ [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] <a href="http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/" rel="nofollow">http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/</a> [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Rollo Tomassi</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-92809</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rollo Tomassi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2015 21:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/

You could buy the first book too…]]></description>
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<p>You could buy the first book too…</p>
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		<title>By: Derpifer</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/comment-page-1/#comment-92806</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derpifer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2015 20:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there a list of all iron rules in one place? This is frankly rather maddening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a list of all iron rules in one place? This is frankly rather maddening.</p>
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